Thursday, January 19, 2012

Page layout algorithm improvement

Webmaster Level: All

In our ongoing effort to help you find more high-quality websites in search results, today we’re launching an algorithmic change that looks at the layout of a webpage and the amount of content you see on the page once you click on a result.

As we’ve mentioned previously, we’ve heard complaints from users that if they click on a result and it’s difficult to find the actual content, they aren’t happy with the experience. Rather than scrolling down the page past a slew of ads, users want to see content right away. So sites that don’t have much content “above-the-fold” can be affected by this change. If you click on a website and the part of the website you see first either doesn’t have a lot of visible content above-the-fold or dedicates a large fraction of the site’s initial screen real estate to ads, that’s not a very good user experience. Such sites may not rank as highly going forward.

We understand that placing ads above-the-fold is quite common for many websites; these ads often perform well and help publishers monetize online content. This algorithmic change does not affect sites who place ads above-the-fold to a normal degree, but affects sites that go much further to load the top of the page with ads to an excessive degree or that make it hard to find the actual original content on the page. This new algorithmic improvement tends to impact sites where there is only a small amount of visible content above-the-fold or relevant content is persistently pushed down by large blocks of ads.

This algorithmic change noticeably affects less than 1% of searches globally. That means that in less than one in 100 searches, a typical user might notice a reordering of results on the search page. If you believe that your website has been affected by the page layout algorithm change, consider how your web pages use the area above-the-fold and whether the content on the page is obscured or otherwise hard for users to discern quickly. You can use our Browser Size tool, among many others, to see how your website would look under different screen resolutions.

If you decide to update your page layout, the page layout algorithm will automatically reflect the changes as we re-crawl and process enough pages from your site to assess the changes. How long that takes will depend on several factors, including the number of pages on your site and how efficiently Googlebot can crawl the content. On a typical website, it can take several weeks for Googlebot to crawl and process enough pages to reflect layout changes on the site.

Overall, our advice for publishers continues to be to focus on delivering the best possible user experience on your websites and not to focus on specific algorithm tweaks. This change is just one of the over 500 improvements we expect to roll out to search this year. As always, please post your feedback and questions in our Webmaster Help forum.

181 comments:

  1. So, will this finish with AdSense for Parked Domains on Goole SERPs??

    Will remove sites with 3 AdSense blocks and 4 banners over the folder ?

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  2. Matt Cutts, you are perhaps the most awful hypocrite on the www.

    You wrote this: "So sites that don’t have much content “above-the-fold” can be affected by this change. If you click on a website and the part of the website you see first either doesn’t have a lot of visible content above-the-fold or dedicates a large fraction of the site’s initial screen real estate to ads, that’s not a very good user experience."

    You are 100% correct!

    Now perhaps you could explain why it's acceptable for Google to go ahead with this "not a very good user experience" approach to above-the-fold ads in their own search result pages, but when small businesses do the same they suffer loss of revenues because of your hypocritcal policies? You are starving small websites of the opportuniy to earn revenue while creaming it off yourself.

    Matt, I don't think Google should be judging any site by a set of critea that they are not prepared to judge their own site by.

    Slippery slope.

    Just done a search for "credit cards" on my notebook, I see one search result just on the fold, everything else is ads, when I write everything, I mean just that - everything else above the fold is ads. Something you just stated is a "bad user experience" and worth a penalty?

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  3. Is the algorithm update looking only for ad code above the fold?

    Or does having a large header section, navigation, or other media, not related to the "Content" of the page cause problems because of this update?

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  4. Whatsapp to site with popover advertising or site with doorway advertising page between navigation?

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  5. Look at this screen grab of a typical eHow article. I hightlighted the above-the-fold content in green. That is only about 1/15 of the screen. Please tell me you will not exempt eHow from this new algorithm change.

    http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9466/ehownocontent.png

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  6. @DanielRoofer and fans - for 'credit cards' I see 4 ads 'above the fold' and 10 regular links below. Maybe your screen is small.

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  7. Can we get a clarification on what is defined, according to this algo change, as an "ad"? Does it include only AdSense? Yahoo PPC? Banners and other display advertising? Affiliate links? "Ad" is a pretty broad term.

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  8. I am curious as to what counts as an 'ad' since we do have clients who prefer to have one large image as the main "content" / focal point of their homepage as their main call to action.

    I'm wondering how that sort of mentality would get treated as that page may be ranked down due to being flagged as an "ad" and in turn hurt the overall reputation of the site?

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  9. what's plastered at the top of every google results page? yeah that's right, nothing but ads. you people are seriously the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of planet earth. I'd respect you a bit more if you'd just go ahead and say that google is the only entity permitted to earn money via the internet.

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  10. People seem to be knee jerk reacting with hyperbole. This is a change designed to improve quality of search for people looking for things.

    If they found a correlation between ad infested sites and bad quality, and by exploiting this correlation they improve the search results then that's great!

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  11. Can we go ahead & call this the Parton Update?

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  12. HAHAHAHA Ben Cook wins the thread.

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  13. Must admit, this line also got me:

    "but affects sites that go much further to load the top of the page with ads to an excessive degree or that make it hard to find the actual original content on the page"

    You mean like changing the background colour of the ads so it confuses people into thinking they are clicking on a search result when in fact it's an ad? I have to tilt my screen at an angle to see the background colour of Google's ads otherwise it all looks the same. You could say that many of Google's high traffic pages are top heavy on ads and it's difficult to find the original content from the ads, which goes back to my previous point about Google being hypocritical.

    @JB Frog, if you see 4 ads and 10 results above the fold then I must ask - are you viewing Google in a cinema? Yes I have a small screen, but as most people are now moving to tablets and mobiles, smaller screens will soon be seen as the norm, a point that Google are well aware of.

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  14. This change may favor us as we prefer to place our ads below the major contents of our page, e.g. below the course outline if there is still an empty space, below the course attributes and at the bottom most of the page. This is to ensure that the viewing of our key business contents will not be distracted and interrupted. In addition, this enable effective click on ads as users only decided to switch their view when they have scanned through until the end of the key content and still unable to find what they want. Take a look at the example here: http://www.malaysiatraining.net/2011/11/human-resource-training.html

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  15. Matt, a very interesting article. I have translated this for the German SEO Community:

    German version: Goole Layout Algorithmus Update

    I hope the layout algorithm will further improve the search experience for users. Many "landing pages" are stuffed with ads and irrelevant content.
    Thanks.

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  16. Intresting article...

    I agree users need to see content straight away, but I would be interested to know where Google deems the Fold to exist.

    The stats suggest that in recent years screen resolutions and methods users view content has changed dramatically!

    Any comments would be appreciated

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  17. I believe that Google algorithm is stills Google secret. That's why there's still a lot of SEO and tecniques.

    SEO Philippines

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  18. You amusingly reference complaints from your users who aren't happy... What complaints... I've never seen a way to complain about Google Search, no contact, no feedback, no nothing.

    Please can you explain at what point you asked ANY user about any of this.

    You know you didn't.

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  19. on the same day that Google’s web search team announced this change, I received this message from Google’s AdSense team encouraging me to put more ads on my site: .. look this ....... http://screensnapr.com/v/BVgHPn.png

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  20. Fine, that makes really sense! Go on with this, and take much more care for the algo than for the shareholder!!!

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  21. @Gordon I have the same question as you. Will images linking internally within a site be affected by this change? As you said, some clients prefer to use an image rather than copy. Would this affect the site's rankings if an internally-linked image were to be used?

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  22. Hi Matt,
    Please quantify the boundary of the page fold. Surely it varies way too much. I know a lot of people have lots of browser tool bars, instantly shrinking the visible height of any webpage.
    With http://browsersize.googlelabs.com/ are you suggesting we cram content into the first 300 pixels?

    Or will search results vary depending on the users own settings? i.e. If their visible page height is quite big then more sites are eligible for SERP ranking. Those users with a much smaller visible height will only get results from those sites have have more content at the top???

    Please clarify Matt.

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  23. Is "Browser Size" updated based on users trends ?

    Today screen resolutions are becoming larger, and for my part, the "Browser Size" tool, does not seem to have changed since many years.

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  24. is having only one add above the fold,bellow post title is safe?
    I was ranking for a keyword at #8 ,but it decreased to #19 though I only use one add block in sidebar.
    Getting very less traffic to my blog :(

    Ritesh Warke@dofollow list

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  25. Seems like this will affect a v small number of sites and is probably not of concern to most commercial websites.

    Decent update though, if you ask me. HATE sites where I have scroll down the page for ages to get past the ads and see the content I was looking for.

    "500 improvements to search" this year?

    Bring 'em on!

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  26. I have one question. If i have website who provide coupon code then the website required the content on the page? My website page only contain the coupon code with coupon code website.

    please suggest.

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  27. Webmasters will now remove those funky, popup ads from their site, as the google says and wants. Delivering quality content is the only way left to stay at the top..

    Thanks to you all

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  28. This obviously means Google will place less or smaller Google Ads above the fold of the organic results, yes?

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  29. When I want to buy something - I hate scrolling through long articles to do my shopping.

    Not all of us want to read an article about "Blue iPhone covers", some of us just want to buy the product. Relevant content is irrelevant in many situations.

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  30. I agree with other posters. Google don't even follow their own guidelines. The SERPs are crap as there is hardly any useful content above the fold.

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  31. As Gordon said, how will sites that have a logo, menu and then an image going across the page before any text is shown be affected?

    There are many websites in the field that I specialise in that have this kind of set up.

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  32. What please?

    How do you define “above the fold”? Even this blog “wastes” around 230px before any relevant content is apperaring.

    What about well designed pages? Huge sliders with product pictures but less content? Big headers or navigation layouts? Pictures to introduce a blog post?

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  33. "Sites with excessive adverts at the top of the page"

    ...

    Like, for example, Google.com?

    It's a fair enough algo update, and your dead right on the effect of excessive adverts above the fold to the user.

    Should probably point that out to your own designers though. Bit hypocritical to 'judge' websites for monetising in the exact same way you yourselves do.

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  34. Yay, more spots for me! Good riddence MFA.

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  35. What about photo sites? All my pages start with a very large photograph at the top.

    It's relevant to the article, has ALT and TITLE text. I write 1500 word articles of original content under them, and with further smaller photos mixed in. Which are again relevant.

    I'm already subject to Google's page speed penalization due to publishing a lot of photographs which are naturally heavy, even with optimization.

    Is this another 1% that will knock back sites with a lot of photographs?

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  36. http://seo.at/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/google-layout-update-above-the-fold.png

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  37. Google is now the arbiter of taste? What if my search was intended to surface sites that place ads above the fold so that I can screenshot them and review them in a design article critical of the practice?

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  38. Now you know why Google's financial results are heading south! AdSense recommends placing the biggest possible ad above the fold and Matt you contradict. Google, it's high time to give Matt Cutts a (voluntary) retirement for investors' sake!

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  39. Google size tool incorrectly shows percentages for the webpages centered in the screen. If you have a narrow page (say, 800px width) with wide open screen Google size tool suggests higherst percentage of viewers will see just blank space to the left of your page. The tool should learn to distinguish between the body and the content

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  40. Two thoughts:

    1) Why aren't annoying overlays, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, etc. being targeted along with "ads above the fold?" Can't your algorithm detect them?

    2) The total number of ads on a page can be as irritating as where the ads are located. Some "big media" sites and UGC megasites have many pages with a paragraph or two of text, or even a one-line invitation to "write a review," accompanied by multiple ads, blocks of "sponsored links," etc. The reader may be able to find the page's content without too much difficulty, but if there's hardly any content on the page, that's more annoying than where the ads are located.

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  41. There is one industry that is not spamming Google that will now be considered spam content because of this. This Industry includes Professional Photographer websites. Many proffesional photographers were the first to adopt flash to show their content, and these photographers learned that flash was bad for SEO. Later many of these photographers added text to the bottom of their websites. The real content that the users are looking for is the photography at the top, and not the text at the bottom. This algo change assumes that the content at the bottom is the most relevant when in fact for many photographers and the people viewing their websites, this is simply not the case. The text is moved to the bottom of the page because while it is useful it is much less important than the photos at the top. Google LOS ANGELES PHOTOGRAPHERS AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE RESULTS. I THINK THESE POOR PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE TO REDESIGN THEIR WEBSITES... NOT SURE IF GOOGLE CONSIDERED THE PHOTOGRAPHY INDUSTRY WHEN THEY MADE THIS CHANGE????

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  42. I have two ads in each post. One above the article and one at the end. Both are of 350*350. Should I remove the ad at the top?

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  43. It would be helpful for webmasters to see examples of pages with ads placed unacceptable and examples with accepted layouts. From Google's point of view.

    And what resolution should we consider when optimizing the layout?

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  44. Fine, if that's what Google want's.
    Above the fold isn't the only area that has high CTR right..

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  45. Seriously people.... this is a good thing. It's better for the users, for the advertisers, AND for Google. If your site is one of the ones that drops because of the algo change....then you're doing something wrong. Period. Make a better site, that people WANT to visit and share, and then you won't have to worry about whether your ads are above the fold or not. There are a lot of other ways to sell to people without having big ad blocks everywhere. The ad blocks are tacky in my opinion anyway. Learn how to write good sales copy, there are all kinds of free courses, videos, and documents online that will teach you how to do this. The better your sales copy, the better your conversion rate will be, and the more money you will make- regardless of the ads on the top of the page. Stop acting like little two year olds, and learn how to be BETTER at what you do instead of complaining about why and how everyone else is out to get you. Matt Cutts is only ONE of the many faces of Google, and he doesn't make the final decisions about the algo changes. He's just a PR type person, and is only doing his job. Stop bashing him.

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  46. Unknown, most sites that run ads are "content sites" or "information sites" that don't have sell copy or measure their success in terms of conversion rates.

    Matt-bashing is impolite and unfair, but it isn't unreasonable for publishers to wonder (even out loud) what Google means by excessive advertising above the fold.

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  47. Following this policy will google take the big block of ads off of the top of their search results. For some seaches they take a big part of the page above the fold.

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  48. Seing website that produce no original content (whe have flash games websites) rank before us with our games on their website + 3 ads slot over the fold using false rating technique (snippet) with no any form for user to give advice + using a lot of fake "press communication" (sorry whe are not english) is just the worst thing i ever see on the web.

    I think this january 2012 month is the BLACK month for the web.....

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  49. I looked at Google analytics Browser Capabilities > Screen Resolutions for some of my sites. The large % of traffic is in the 768 - 1024 range. Mostly in the 768 - 900 range. Perhaps Google considers a different "above the fold" for a site time or even for each site individually based on historical of what the majority of users that visit your site are using. Has that been tracked in Analytics for no reason? I doubt it. I feel like after viewing this data, I am safe working with 768 height as an "above the fold" number. That's me personally.

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  50. First type "Insurance" in google search and then work on applying the algorithm to other smaller websites!

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  51. What is the meaning content “above-the-fold”?

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  52. Is this a possible example of penalty?

    http://t.co/skqdsQIn

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  53. Nice change for users but not for website publishers. Although in the long run, I believe everyone will benefit because of this.

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  54. bizideaonline: "Above the fold" is an old newspaper term. It comes from the days when broadsheet newspapers were folded in half and displayed with only half of the page (the part "above the fold" on the newsstand.

    On the Web, we probably should be saying "above the scroll," but tradition dies hard. In this case, we're talking about the part of a Web page that a typical user can see without scrolling down.

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  55. The fact is that the algorithm is changed!

    Please, can you provide some metrics in order to apply to those changes?
    It would be unfair otherwise.

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  56. To help quash all of the people who disagree with everything it does with it's search algorithms, I have found a simple and easy solution. Use your own Moderate program to allow users to vote changes up and down so that it totally reflects what the majority of users prefer.

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  57. I'd also like some clarity as to the "fold", and whether or not it takes toolbars and/or placement of items such as the Windows taskbar into account.

    I think Todd Rosser has the best take on this...I was thinking 768, but his range is better than what I was thinking, though.

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  58. On what date was this change implemented?

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  59. Hi Matt,

    What I have to say concerning this is that, it is really a great move to help users to have good experience of the Google search. I really support this motive and tested my own website to confirm that it conforms with this new rule.

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  60. It’s a great thing for the user experience and I hope the next algorithms will continue to improve the efforts for quality content and spam reduction

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  61. Reading the blog it quite easy to understand what Google means and what it is trying to do.

    I am guessing if you have up to four small ads before the content at the top this will not effect you in anyway. Especially as this is what Google does on it search site.
    Sites that have a single banner across the top will not be effective.

    Also I am guesting Google will be pretty liberal here and the initial allowed limit will be high and will be adjusted up or down as they analyse the results.

    The vast majority of sites got nothing to worry about.

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  62. What is an Ad?

    What is Content? Is the menu? My own internal ads?

    p.s. Could someone pop over to the AdSense Optimisation team office. Would probably be good if you could all sing from the same song sheet :-)

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  63. If you don't know who Google is targeting with this change, look at forums and blogs with user generated content directed at problem solving. Some of these sites blend ads in very well with background and font, and dominate the top of page.

    I'm sure there are other sites in Google's "sights"; there are good examples with excessive ads if you look around.

    If you hit the scroll button on your mouse at least once on your website, then change the layout.

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  64. Dear Matt Cutts:

    The problem with Google search results is not that we can't see what we searched for, but that a large number of results come from dynamically generated pages that at some random point in time had our search terms included. (And of course by the time we look the search terms are usually gone altogether.)

    On a regular basis we see results from queries to 123people, indeed.com, etc. etc.

    I suppose including dynamically generated pages was initially a clever idea that had brought some of the deep web into search results. However it is becoming an increasing and annoying problem for many of us.

    Does Google intend to do something about those junk pages in the results?

    Thanks,
    Irina Shamaeva

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  65. Google ads .is a waiste of monies....,you pay ,but are not seen ...? they ONLY want maximum profit...There is NOBODY to complain to......Patent INFRINGERS /crooks advertise freely ,as long as they pay ,so SCAM is common ...Google hypocritical policy is unethical ,misleading ....false,racketeering .....

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  66. Is Google going to provide a tool we can load our websites into to give us feedback of how well or poorly we're doing with this algorithm change?

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  67. The other day Google had blocked out their own logo in support of the fight against SOPA and PIPA... censorship of the Internet. And now this????? How dare you, Google, to run your own version of censorship and control over the way web developers and designers create their websites?! Where is the creative freedom and freedom to conduct business in a way each individual sees fit in that? Someone very appropriately pointed out earlier that some users come to websites because they want to shop. They don't want to read all the blah, blah, blah about products or articles. Many webmasters run websites that offer products and/or educational leads (for schools) and to maintain a uniform layout of the site throughout their banners or products appear on top. I find this attempt to manipulate web design..., well how should I best put it, DARING, to say the least, and put it mildly.

    Danni R.
    Advanced Medical Assistant Custom Web Design, LLC

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  68. hey,i am newbie .how to make my blog number #1 on google ?

    and why google adsense block my account ?

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  69. The Page layout algorithm will definitely improve the user experience and it will provide the most relevant information to users. However I don't understand what are the criterion on the basis of which we can decide how much ads is authentic and agreeable to Google. Please let me know if anyone know about it.

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  70. what about the people who doesn't want to read the content and in shopping sites or music site.

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  71. So many of you are so dumb. Google is a website and a business that can choose to do whatever they want. It is not your right to be listed in google serps. Be happy that they give us ANY info about Algo updates and stop bitching or they might not in the future.

    Step up your game ladies.

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  72. Hi Matt,
    Superb Article. Thanks for making this algorithm change. Now the users will get their content easily. Otherwise you click on link and the first thing you see is an advertisement that distracts you. And this i think does not mean that Adsense will be finished. Google has not banned the ads in websites, instead it has decreased its number. Hope the thing is followed and works out well.

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  73. Is there an unintended consequence occurring? We sell product - we have NO adverts. But because we have a large image and all the info needed to place the order at the top of the page - the detailed product info is below the fold. We know from experience that the stuff above the fold is what our customers are really interested in and the chunk of text at the bottom is just supporting material. Although our traffic has remained constant the quality has dropped drastically reducing orders to a trickle and producing 4 attempted frauds. (We don't normally have that many attempts in a month - let alone in a single day). A friend who runs another e commerce site has seen the same sudden fall in orders without a change to traffic levels since the "algorithm improvement". So, Matt, can you confirm that the change is not the reason for this adverse change to customer behaviour in the last few days or if it is an unintended consequence will it be fixed?

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  74. @DanielRoofer, re:"explain why it's acceptable for Google to go ahead with this"

    Maybe that is because the purpose of a search engine is to provide web links to people, both paid and organic, whereas a website should focus on providing a service first.

    If the front pages of a newspaper were just adverts then people would soon stop buying them. First impressions count and all that.

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  75. Google, the fold is DEAD. It's 2012, FFS! Do some research before making such stupid decisions. Read this article and learn something:

    http://iampaddy.com/lifebelow600/

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  77. This is a good direction and should get people to reevaluate the big marketing shots in banners.

    Many websites have a big photo of their building, product or even just a bunch of smiling faces that provide no content or value and yet every time you visit a page on the site you have to scroll down to see the actual content.

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  78. This change is gonna be fascinating.

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  79. The intention of that change is completely agreeable. But it stays a bit unclear what exactly means "ads to an excessive degree". Until today we didn't think at all that our website is showing ads in an excessive way but we lost about 80% of our Google traffic after that algorithm improvement. Have a look yourself if you want, we didn't make any changes yet: http://bit.ly/zZ4fyu

    What also left us a bit clueless is why the AdSense Team sent us a mail at the very same day telling us to put more ads at our pages. Is there a plan behind it which we didn't understand yet?

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  80. I think people are making more of this than needed. I know exactly the type of site they're referring to (wish I could show an example but they no longer show in the results!).

    I've been doing a lot of research lately, and the sites were popping up more often because of the other Panda updates that have happened throughout the months.

    You would google a term, and when you clicked on the page, literally, everything you saw was an ad - and blended well so that it looked like content at a glance. Only sometimes would there even be content, often it would just echo what you searched for as a title on the page, followed by gibberish.

    So, the plain and simple of it is, they were going after a very specific type of site folks. Judging by the test I just did tried to find an example, the change is working (because I couldn't find any).

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  81. So, how can you recognize an ad? Are you looking for any media content above the fold that's not text?

    Anyway, we've translated the news for the Hebrew SEO community:

    Page Layout Algorithm Explained in Hebrew

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  82. Well everything you did is good great and awesome for google search users. What about small publishers like us?
    You just not dropped the traffic you also reduced the CPC of AdSense on that site that didn't compile with this update.
    Can Matt Cutts tell anything about this? We updated our theme like Google want and search traffic is back but why AdSense earnings are not? CPC dropped from $0.15 to just $0.03 with same CTR.

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  83. I think that very fail algorithm couse of your bot not same human

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  84. Interesting blog. I wish Indian Advertising Agencies will also learn from you people.

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  85. is that mean more power to google plus + ?
    what about content from business pages on google plus?

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  86. If everybody took an even hit I wouldnt be so peeved, but alot of my competitors are premium adsense and they clearly have 3 ad units above the fold... and they are not affected at all by this, I am.

    If it is really about user experienced then make the change for everyone.

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  87. It's always been about the content, right? No complaints here!

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  88. I think all of you should read this articles about Segmentation of Webpages
    http://www.seobythesea.com/2009/07/breaking-pages-apart-what-automatic-segmentation-of-webpages-might-mean-to-design-and-seo/

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  89. Will adsense publishers who are not in compliance with the new algo change be penalized in earnings as well as SERP positions? I have a well aged site that's held top positions for a long time and it's slipping in SERPS and my CPC / RMP has tanked in recent days. I have some ads above the fold, but not across the entire site. Am I now being "smart priced" because of the ads below the fold issue. I don't expect an answer, but I'm curious to see if anyone else has had this happen in the past few days.

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  90. I need HELP !!!

    My blogspot (sanatateverde) just losts over 2000 posts!!! I used to have over 4000 posts made and now in blogger i just got around 2500 posts!!!

    Thanks

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  91. How does this affect the "sub-ad-farms" such as fixya.com who simply get a web sourced crowd to write its adverts disguised as services (often illegal software keys or even software sales)

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  92. The default example that shows up on the browser size tool shows that the "Donate Now" button cannot be seen by 30% of the visitors until they scroll. However, why would Google be making decisions about when it is appropriate to see a "Donate" or a "Download" button? How can people know they want to donate until they've read about what it is they are donating to? In fact, a big "Donate Now" button above the fold would itself look like an ad. Google says to follow their webmaster guidelines, which I assume include the following: http://support.google.com/adsense/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=132575 ... if these guidelines are no longer acceptable, please update them. And better yet, if you are going to be adding penalties to sites, you could at least let webmasters know that the penalty is currently active by sending notices via Google Webmaster Tools ... especially when your own AdSense optimization teams have in the past recommended more ads above the fold than you are now recommending.

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  93. I second John W

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    And better yet, if you are going to be adding penalties to sites, you could at least let webmasters know that the penalty is currently active by sending notices via Google Webmaster Tools ... especially when your own AdSense optimization teams have in the past recommended more ads above the fold than you are now recommending.
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    If they notifed people who were affected it would allow people who are not sure to make alterations as required.

    Also send some ideas of the screen res you are referring to.

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  94. FilmsFight yes mate, I am in the same boat, both my CTR and CPC are down massively, along with my ranks.

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  95. @ DanielRoofer - top comment, don't know if I could have said it better.

    Now my adsense revenues are going to completely drop off, my sites have already fallen dramatically even though I offer a great product and have an excellent repor with my clients and visitors.

    I am now seriously thinking over removing all Google products from all of my 10+ websites, I am sick to the back teeth of Google moving the goal posts time and time again, I understand many of the reasons but this is darn stupidity especially when "above the fold" on Google SERP's is a massive block of adverts.

    My adsense earnings have fallen by 50% over the past 3 years, it was a nice income, contributing to payments of hosting and renewals, now this one man band is struggling to keep websites open and pay the rising costs of trying to stay ahead of the game. I really can not see the positives now from displaying Google ads on my network of websites.

    Not to mention now the costs involved in revamping all my websites to suit the needs of Google's new algorithm change.

    Thanks again Google.

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  96. Please provide some examples of what would be penalised...
    is single ad in area aove the fold accepted?
    does the size of the ad matters?

    we have many questions and further more explanation is required from Mr. Cutts

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  97. Matt as you mentioned-
    we have heard complaints from users that if they click on a result and it’s difficult to find the actual content, they aren’t happy with the experience. Rather than scrolling down the page past a slew of ads, users want to see content right away.

    Your are absolutely right I guess due to spamming and SEO on organic results users are not satisfied with the results they are looking for. I think it is itself google who targets the websites containing ad sense ads. It is all Google Profits. After this changed i do not think anything good will happen. These websites can't be hide from the results as this has been saying from the last many years but nothing happened.

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  98. Nice going, Matt! It takes guts to stand up to these whiners. I applaud your decision to whack such sites. I for one am sick and tired of wading through junk in order to get to the reason I go to sites in the first place. I love watching these guy squirm.

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  99. This will be the death of many free sites that have ads and provide a good user experience. My loyal members accept my ads in exchange for a great service that is free.

    After 7 years I have finally been given the incentive to remove all my google ads. You can take the $800 a month and shove it. The hypocrisy is too much for me.

    Mom and Pop Sites move over, the Big boys now own the Internet.

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  100. How does this affect sites like Hulu? There may not be much crawlable content above the fold but the gigantic slider acts as a secondary navigation to push their shows.

    If I designed a website for someone who wanted to feature gallery paintings in a similar slider or a rotating flash animation would that site be penalized?

    What if you completely sucked at coding and used Adobe ImageReady to slice up a website and everything was an image?... ok well that deserves bad ranking... but you get my point right?

    You're going to let an algorithm figure out how many images should be distributed above the fold? No good will come of this.

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  101. Eagerly waiting to see the TOp 3 results without any ads on whole page....
    I hope other search engines are also reading this post....

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  102. has any one got affected by this update yet ?

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  103. hopefully this will make a better future for the reputation of the blog

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  104. I don't know if it is this change of a few of the other ones that have been reported but the results I'm getting in personal searches are suddenly bad. It doesn't seem to matter if I am logged in or not. I'm actually searching for retail products and getting sites with advertisements running down the entire right side of the page? It looks like Google pushed all the regular stores down that that had ads at the top including on site banner ads for their own promotions! Weird. This has only been happening for about a week.

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  105. I think this is done to those sites which use google ads, but about other ads, there are atleast 10 -15 medium through which you can work as a publisher.
    I think this should have been do considering outbound links on upper fold....

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  106. I think i should highlight one point to those who are shouting against this change ...
    Adsense's main purpose is you earn money based on your reputation and direct traffic. Now if you are having 80+ % of search traffic that means your site is not known to most of the people.
    I want to tell you all that all those shouting people must be there on net to make money from ads not the contents as their foremost priority...

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  107. Matt

    At Hometipster.com I work really hard in writing unique content (DIY and Gardening Guides) that is useful to our visitors.

    We've just lost rankings for the keyword "DIY". What does disappoint me is that fact that one of the high ranking websites for this keyword is 'Focus DIY'. Focus actually went bust in the UK and now the page is just stuffed with Affiliate Links. No useful content whatsoever and yet day after day, week after week they are ranked high on page one.

    I thought Panda was supposed to take care of this type of thing? If a new algorithm is in place to penalize Ads above the fold, why is Focus still listed on page one?

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  108. The thing is it is majorly inconsistent.

    My site rankings have dropped but the top page still has websites with a heap of ads.

    Why change the rankings algorithm according to ad placement? Why not just disable ads so the webmasters can clearly see whats going on and adjust accordingly.

    I don't think picking a few sites and penalizing them and letting others keep earning good money is doing anything for the user.

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  109. Hometipster: Maybe you could put a 250x250 at the top of your page and start the content running along side it. That way your content is higher and it probably wont affect your CTR at all. Personally I don't see any issues with what you have anyway, I see sites allot worse and they are ranking high still.

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  110. ah matt I cannot believe you wrote this, in Adsense one click optimiser you guys are tell us to get as many ads on a page, plus you are giving us structure charts on where best to place our ads, usually with 2 main ads above the fold for catagory pages on news sites loaded up with link units, plus you guys are the master of loading up adverts on your search results page - anyway the mind boggles

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  111. I heard that matt cutts has pointed somewhere that its not number of ads but how big ad or how whole above the fold area is used triggers algorithm. so until you have unique content above the fold I guess it would be Ok, what is your take? I have shared some of my observations on my post Google Page layout update and Above the folds ads issues also.

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  112. Still i found to be one of the big lie.....
    search "list of engineering colleges in ahmedabad" from google.co.in
    and see the top two results and their above fold content...
    big big lie....
    Change is very small, we should not consider this change...

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  113. google adsense allow so many ads... so will that will be under rader

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  114. Ох, ребята. Гугл только начал издеваться над вебмастерами. А вот яндекс это делает уже давно и в еще более изврашенной манере.

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  116. I do agree and appreciate if Google pay more attention to article reader but Google must understand something, without adds how can a site running? Google would pay the bill?

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  117. What did you get exactly?

    I see 123 greetings ranking highly still and covered with ads. They earn massive amounts for google so it would be silly to include them in the algorithm.

    Just like my competitors, nothing has changed, they make big bucks.

    The algorithm only affects small fish.

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  118. I personally am much more concerned with new websites that spin content from well established authority sites, Wikipedia and Bureau of Labor articles, rewrite the content, obtain a domain name with key words, and then start massive link exchange, link purchase, link wheel, comment link injection, etc. with their target key words or phrases hyperlinked to obtain thousands of backlinks. I have seen this done over and over again, especially among my very own competitors that are coming out of the woodworks and get their pages listed right on the 1st Google search results, top spot SERPS. Does Google pay attention to SPAM reports? It used to be content-content-content, not unrelated backlinks-backlinksj-backlinks. You can purchase thousands of backlinks for just a few dollars on Fivrr nowadays, however, it takes YEARS to build a reputable site and honest page rank/ranking in SERPS.

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  119. It's so unfair to high-quality content website like mine that is now ranked down below those containing copied content from my site(getting lower and lowerX. I could sell a lot of ads above the fold coz advertisers see my site of high quality content. Now copycats are enjoying what they didn't do themselves.

    I think Google'd better tackle spammers first!

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  120. It is now more obvious than ever - you must NOT build your website to be found through search alone.

    We must all concentrate on various traffic streams rather than search, as Google will constantly change. You simply can't build a business on a constantly moving foundation.

    I suspect that someday people will be so sick of Google that a new search engine will take over - with less block advertising above the fold on SERPS, and more relevant results.

    As for adsense, I'm now thinking about getting rid of it entirely - with a plan to be adsense-free in two years. Between awful hover colours on links, and now this daft update affecting sites with adsense, I'm not a happy chappy!

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  121. will u plz explain me about the complete algorithm steps in detail..Every site says different types of steps, i doubt those are all whether right or wrong. so u explain about the complete google algorithm 2012.


    http://www.treppenlift.ag

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  122. I personally feel all the SEO puke and Ads above or below the fold thing are just more ways to confuse everyone so no person really knows why one site rates better than others. In my field, some "dead" (not updated for years)sites do way better than me in search results and rankings - it's all a bit "hit and miss" I'm afraid. I hope there are much more important changes to come with Google's "fairness wand" than just Ad placement. It seems like it's getting harder and harder to be heard/found these days as a minor player with great content and ideas trying to compete with the major juggernaut information grabbing sites holding masses of impersonal info with thousands of the right keywords channeling most of the traffic their way. There needs to be some type of "rotation" in search results so everyone gets a fair go - not just the ones with the most money and SEO teams helping them to hog the spotlight.
    Well, that's my say :)

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  123. We have lost massive organic traffic and money the last days.
    We have a free dating site and need traffic to earn money via adsense ads.
    Yes we have some google ads "above the fold". You recommend this!!!

    Our Earnings are your Earnings.

    We have to give up our website if you will not set to original settings.

    Regards
    Thomas

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  125. It's not 1% affected by this new algorithm but it 100% destroyed my site. Google should also stop displaying ads above the fold on search result pages to make this one standard!!

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  126. I'm not only seeing a huge decrease in rankings across all of my adsense sites, I am seeing the being deindexed as a result of this. Maybe google ought to do us a favor and deindex themselves. I am sooooo sick and tired of their hypocritical bs.

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  127. It is funny we are all taking so much time to leave comments to Google when Google never responds to any of these and I doubt they even read these. We are all just talking to the choir.

    For me in particular, I typically load the top of the page with eye catching visuals, headlines to capture attention, and short text elements to drive home the benefits. Below the fold is a lot of body copy that goes into detail for those that want to scrutinize and go deep. From this description you might be able to tell that my web sites are basically one big ad. That would be true but then my company sells products. Customers are coming because they have an interest in my products. Now Google wants to penalize me for giving my visitors what they are looking for. Oh my!

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  128. Our site has absolutely no ads, we're an online shop, with, let me repeat this, Matt, NO ADS WHATSOEVER yet your search engine visitors have dropped from 1,5k - 1,8k daily to 300-400 daily exactly on January 20th, with no change to our website at all. Our orders have dropped massively and we face ruin if we can't revert this problem. IS there any way to get support about this, even paying?

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  129. Calm down people, spend a minute and think: is organic traffic is your only source? You will see there are quite many possibilities. Maybe at this time, organic traffic still the best but it's time to move on. You can't blame Google. It's their game and we play by their rules and it's their business to build their own grave.

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  130. Google might want to be careful treating adsense customers this way. What about when facebook launches its IPO soon and gets fully cashed up.. then they start a new face book search (competing directly with google) with their own version of adsense for people like us... Then the profits from adsense and google's massive search traffic may just be a thing of the past and shared elsewhere. The monopoly may be over.

    They should try and understood how much time and money people put into providing ads based services and offer us a better reporting feature, allowing us to see exactly where they are going wrong and how we can find a remedy. Instead they send us emails saying to place more ads, and penalize for taking their advice.

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  131. Hey Matt,

    My website has been hit by your new update, to be honest , you basically just put me out of business and I wouldn't be able to pay my rent next month.

    My site is just a one page translator with one form and one paragraph under the fold on how to use the translator and a few ads here and there. regardless, I did follow you advice and I move my paragraph above the fold and I changed my layout and there is no positive outcome.

    I have submitted a reconsideration request to google, hoping maybe I can get some pointer but no response yet.. can you please , look into my site personally , because I would like to still stay in business

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  132. I had changed my ads over the fold but can't change any difference mine is a modern indian cuisine website and it had a first page ranking now nowhere to see , i believe i should work on other search engines like yahoo,bing to get good results and avoid or ignore google

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  133. It all makes perfect sense now..I was ranking for prominent keywords in a competitive niche for 3 years and recently had my website redesigned to include a call-to-action image under the navbar..(Not an advert at all but a much more helpful way to navigate the site for my users) - My rankings have all dropped ever since this small change.

    So in my experience, yes having an image under your nav bar will effect your site. A complete and utter mess up if you ask me. If you can't distinguish between ads and a helpful image on my homepage which internally links further into my website, then you should not be making such a change.

    P.S. My site isn't a thin site either..it's over 130 quality articles - Very dissapointed. I've gone from 4th place for my main keyword down to 10th PAGE!

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  134. What about the first 3 results on Google Search which are populated by Sponsored results.
    That's right, in the exact spots it is now penalizing others for using.

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  135. I have made changes in my website http://www.jobnewsworld.com/ and tried to improve the pages, please tell me that is there enough contents in first screen or not???

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  136. It's unfair that my site was ranked down but some of them with lots of ads above the fold are ranked highest like this page http://tinyurl.com/6ln5g7e or a forum like this http://tinyurl.com/83vp7bn

    Cheers.

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  137. When can we expect this issue to be reversed. We have corrected the issue and were making a wopping $100 per month and now are faced with laying off 10 employees due to the drop in sales. Man Google a warning is webmaster tool would have been less evil!
    Please let us know when sites will start getting there ranking back.

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  138. When can we expect this issue to be reversed. We have corrected the issue and were making a wopping $100 per month and now are faced with laying off 10 employees due to the drop in sales. Man Google a warning is webmaster tool would have been less evil!
    Please let us know when sites will start getting there ranking back.

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  139. Has anyone have got their ranking back after changing their page layout? We can not find even one person by Feb 21 2012 to have his or her ranking back. Can Google define "several weeks" please?

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  140. Mr.Cutts, say you were the captain of a deep sea trawler (the Google of the ocean if you like) what would you do with all the dolphin trapped in your net?. here's one for ya!,
    sell your car OR sell your bike... which one do YOU prefer to use?, and which does you algorithm detect as the site which should be penalized?...given your company track record I decided to leave one site as a controlled condition and the other I spent thousands of hours improving in many ways. Come January 18th, the bike site almost doubles in traffic having been penalized in the past year for whatever, the much improved car site gets sliced in half. Go scratch your heads, I'm done wasting my time trying to understand the half tested updates you put out there. I did bring this to your attention in the forums BTW. You bring so many web developers / designers / owners desire to carry on to a flatline, while forgetting the web does not belong to Google, and it's not your job to police it, you are there to filter! With your approach to search that line has become very blurred in my opinion. My (virtual) dying wish is for open source community to somehow get a grasp on search, it's a fundamental part of our life now and the access to decent information is being abused by compaines with a greaer interest in NASDAQ performance. How many ads do you remember seeing in the index of Encyclopedia Britannica. Farewell web!, I've gone into web cardiac arrest.

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  141. If we update the page lay out, according to the latest changes, can we regain the previous position.
    And one more adds mean , is they belongs to search engine add [ google ads, and yahoo ] .

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  142. really interesting details you have written.thanks for posting .

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  143. Hi Im yash , how to make my blog number #1 on google ?

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  144. I for one welcome the change as It will force many low quality sites to vanish. I hate those templates site spamimg at will. Great job Google!!

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  145. Lost 80% of my traffic. Redesigned my pages. One month later, still in the doghouse! Hope this penalty will end soon!

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  146. The search quality on Google has become so sub-par that I find myself using Yahoo for a more relevant search experience. After Google changed the algo to discriminate against sites with too much advertising they added Buzzdoc. Noe I have to dig through 5 pages to get 4 or 5 sites that aren't mostly directories, Google places and spammy sites that are overstuffed with forced keywords and cities. Example... I search for Ac Repair. My Google setting is open to the USA and I type in "AC Repair Miami," my search result delivers all ads,Google places, 7 directories and the 3 remaining sites are keyword loaded sentences that say nothing relevant except for "Your Miami Florida Home's Air conditioning system"10 times per paragraph.
    I then set my city to Miami and get get the same stupid ads, 7 directories (if I wanted a directory I would have included the word in my search query) and 2 out of state AC Companies. I have now switched to Yahoo for a more relevant search. Google really went off the rails here. They lost me!
    Then they have the audacity to dictate how to lay out a page. Take one look at your search page Google. Do what I say not as I do? AS a webmaster I find myself writing content that quite frankly, embarrasses me in order to be seen within the top 50. Shame on you Google!

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  147. Sites with loads of advertising much up the search results, people need relevent sites that matter not a list of other advertisements. Google are doing a great job cleaning up the serps so far this year.

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  148. Good to see Matt! As a member said above the most awful hypocrite on www world, somehow I agree with this but always love to see your vidoes when it comes to SEO.

    Thanks

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  149. Hi people,
    sorry for my bad english.
    Im suffering for that penalty. Im a webmaster for a site that owns about 40 offline local shops. Each shop was ranked in top ten for a specific keyword combination of brand and location. We had a picture of the shop and a picture of a map where the shop is located above the fold. In order to be ranked, we wrote high quality and unique content about the business and the location. Our Users dont want to read that content. They just want to know where the shop is located an either call or go directly to she location. So the content we placed above the scroll was more relevant to hem.
    It was considered as ad and all ranking is lost.
    As well as my job, i got fired the same day :-(

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  150. Matt Cutts, my keyword also is not ranking. can u gave me some idea.i used unique and fresh content.but it's not came in SERP. Please suggest me what i will do for improving ranking in google. http://www.websolutionmedia.com

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  151. Matt, could you please clarify, as has been asked a number of times, what is considered 'the fold' today?

    There was a lot of commentary over the last few years about the fold being non-existant anymore due to the number of 'folds' we have these days.(http://iampaddy.com/lifebelow600)

    I have 5 folds on one site: iPad, Macbook (built in screen), Macbook (24 inch screen), Acer Netbook, iMax (21 inch screen).

    So - can you please provide a clear answer - which fold do I have to make sure I have content above, as like many others, I have a logo, navigation and normally a large (optimised) image at the top.

    Also, like many others, I have absolutely no ads on my sites.

    Cheers and thanks in advance for your response.

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  152. Matt cutts,

    You got to be the web number one public enemy. seriously man , you should get a real job and stop policing the web.

    seriously what gives you the right to tell people how their website should look like?

    isn't enough, that your algorithm can determine a good site base on returning user, bounce rate, and time spent on site.

    it's been 2 + months since the change took effect and I am unable to recover, I have tried changing different layout, but still the same.

    This is the problem with Google, they hire people like you, who never had their own business on the web and don't understand what it means to have one.

    I'm watching my business die slowly in front of my eyes and by next week I will be unemployed and looking for a new job.

    if you seriously, cared about small business like us, you would had posted some example of what is a good layout and what is a bad layout. your fortune cookies hint here and there are not helping and I'm frankly sick of trying to figure out what do you really mean.

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  153. hi Matt Cuts , i have a question , what changes i have to make to my blog to make it searchable exactly as it was before because my blogger blog haven't so much contents . Hoping a good answer
    thanks in advance.

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  155. Matt,
    I am a maternity photographer with a website 100% dedicated to maternity photography.

    I have enjoyed Page One rankings for the last seven years. That is, until January 2012.

    Since January 2012, my ranking has slid to obscurity.

    My user experience offered a large image above the fold with useful information below it.

    I just can't imagine that this structure rightfully deserves the resulting penalty. People visit photography sites for imagery; it's a bonus when they read the textual content.

    Since January 2012, my traffic is down 70% and it's going down daily. Is there anything I can do?

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  156. hi koren,

    i had the same problem. Ranking for my first page keywords has had gone down 100 places. I found two solutions that worked well for my site.
    1. Put some text and a H1 in the upper left corner of the screen, about 30-40 words will do it.
    Or: run your images in an iframe.
    In my case, the ranking was back by the following crawling of my site.
    But i think you should change it for all sites of you page at once.

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  157. Google's "relevancy first" is a bunch of crap. Like Koran, I was on page one for my keyword, along comes penguin, now 11 non relevant sites with absolutely no product relevancy are ranked above my high quality product site. How do I make Goggle aware of this?

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  158. Google's statement and policy of relevant content reigns supreme in rankings is a bunch of crap. Like Koran, first page for top product keyword, penguin update comes along and now 11 sites out rank me, with no relevant text or product! How does this happen if they are so smart?, and how can I contact them to alert them to these junk results?
    SG

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  159. I think that Google's search results are really going down hill lately.
    I don't know what has changed but it certainly isn't for the better.
    I was recently searching for some 'concrete fence posts' and all you seem to get these days are: Forum sites or directories of builders. What I really want is a list of local concrete fence post suppliers so I can click on their websites and compare the prices they sell them for. Not useless sites like diynot and yell.
    Why, once a company has it right, do they have to go and change things search was great last year and before this. Yahoo and Bing are returning much better results now.

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  160. oh,,, i see, that's why now the ultra heavy ads dissapear from search result, thanks uncle google :D

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  161. Why has Matt gone mute and not replied to any peoples concerns.

    I can't believe the rubbish results that are being returned now.

    Google, get your act back together and repair the damage that you have done to peoples income.

    Google encourage us to run adsense on websites but penalise us when we do.

    Remember, another Google will come along and we will welcome it with open arms.

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  162. Mr Matt Catt,
    I know you will never reply because you have no reply. There are several persons earning through this Adsense. So, regarding your new algorithms, you should think about them. If you need any change, inform them by mail or in adsense account and warn them to rectify their sites.
    I have seen several sites in search engine those have more adds and a couple of lines as content in 'above-the-fold', though they are ranking 1st or second in the 1st page.
    So, what is the truth. If your algorithm is so important, then why those sites are not under your list?
    Again I am saying, no answer will come here. Mr Catt, Google is using people's sites. So Google has the responsibility to make them perfect and you have the duty to help them by proper guidelines.
    Otherwise, all the people will consider this change as a hypocritical decision.

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  163. Fantastic. Now Google is opening his teeth and nails.

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  164. I publish a site about the 80s which is packed with unique content that is added on a very regular basis. However, my visitors have dropped by about 60% since the Google update, and my site has slipped off the first page and down to about the 15th page.

    What is on the first page? An 80s video site with absolutely no content! How can this be fair?

    I find that there is now a lot of outdated info coming up on the first page of most searches, with recent posts being pushed back.

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  165. hi,My Traffic going down :( . how to improve my traffic again ?

    here is my website :
    http://rianul.com

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  166. We need an online tool please!! that shows us the ad layout or percentage of ads to content as Google sees it.

    My site is freewaregenius.com; I now have ONE ad above the fold, but I do not know if that's good enough for Panda (in my site layout, only a few lines of content appear in a 1024x768 windows. What is the window size used for above the fold? Please give us a tool that we could run our pages through and be sure.

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  167. Well Guys, after 7 Years as top ranking, I now find my site Wedding Horses has completely disappeared of the search results on Google. My customers who can still find it through an incoming link all compliment me on the easy to use side as they see everything they want above the fold. Maybe because there are no adwords above the fold it has been removed?

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  168. I don't see why so many people have a problem with a minor update like this? A webmaster can no way decide that Google can be wrong when they have all the resources...

    People should just accept it and make improvements.

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  169. "Rather than scrolling down the page past a slew of ads..."

    Is Google penalizing all adverts, including AdSense, or just penalising rival advertising platforms? :)

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  170. Please search on Google for "laundry machine" or "dishwasher repair manual" everything above the top of the fold are ads, half of which have nothing to do with what a normal searcher would normally be looking for when looking for that keyword.

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  171. Agree 100% with Daniel Roofer. You're concerned with pushing organic SERP down the rankings, but actually penalize below the fold content!

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  172. Yeh cant believes Googles hypocrisy again, pushing organic searches below the fold, but penalizing users.

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  173. All I know is that in the years Ive been using Adsense its not be anywhere near as profitable as it has been since the change. Maybe its because I dont go nuts with the ads and my content is the main feature, I dont know, but I sure hope they dont change it around again. Something certainly changed for the better with the Adsense from what I see from my end.

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