Monday, August 10, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Webmaster Level: AllTo build a great web search engine, you need to:
- Crawl a large chunk of the web.
- Index the resulting pages and compute how reputable those pages are.
- Rank and return the most relevant pages for users' queries as quickly as possible.
Some parts of this system aren't completely finished yet, so we'd welcome feedback on any issues you see. We invite you to visit the web developer preview of Google's new infrastructure at http://www2.sandbox.google.com/ and try searches there.
Right now, we only want feedback on the differences between Google's current search results and our new system. We're also interested in higher-level feedback ("These types of sites seem to rank better or worse in the new system") in addition to "This specific site should or shouldn't rank for this query." Engineers will be reading the feedback, but we won't have the cycles to send replies.
Here's how to give us feedback: Do a search at http://www2.sandbox.google.com/ and look on the search results page for a link at the bottom of the page that says "Dissatisfied? Help us improve." Click on that link, type your feedback in the text box and then include the word caffeine somewhere in the text box. Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Update on August 11, 2009: [ If you have language or country specific feedback on our new system's search results, we're happy to hear from you. It's a little more difficult to obtain these results from the sandbox URL, though, because you'll need manually alter the query parameters.
You can change these two values appropriately:
hl = language
gl = country code
Examples:
German language in Germany: &hl=de&gl=de
http://www2.sandbox.google.com/search?hl=de&gl=de&q=alle+meine+entchen
Spanish language in Mexico: &hl=es&gl=mx
http://www2.sandbox.google.com/search?hl=es&gl=mx&q=de+colores
And please don't forget to add the word "caffeine" in the feedback text box. :) ]
242 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 242 Newer› Newest»How very exciting! I look forward to experimenting with it when I get into the office tomorrow. I promise to feedback concisely and helpfully. Hopefully no feedback will be required. ;)
I liked it just cause my blog is on first when I google me :)
Is there an AJAX API for Caffeine search results? That would make it easier to detect interesting differences.
Cool, already noticed twice the amount of results for one of my website... yeeeh! :-)
Thank you for the opportunity to checkout the new algorithm
Thanks, submitted my comments.
Looks interesting -- what should webmasters do to get listed here? Or is the existing sitemap being used?
Can you expose a bit more about what's happening here?
Are these crawl updates? Rank updates?
One thing is for sure, I'm using http://www2.sandbox.google.com/ from now on :)
This is very exciting and interesting that we can do this & hopefully will be able to provide useful and helpful feedback. Thanks for the heads up!
I really like the way the "+ Show more results from www.danfinney.com" links work. I know they came before caffeine, just thought I would mention it.
I am only noticing subtle differences in the results so far. Some sites returning two results instead of one, one link leapfrogging another, etc. The biggest difference seems to be that there are more pages in the pool of results. For example there are a million extra pages in various searches:
1 - 10 of about 1,520,000 on Google live
1 - 10 of about 2,550,000 on caffeine.
My search with the same expression between the new engine and the today engine gives 7170 vs 803 results. Results are not the same in three first pages but more relevant. GREAT JOB !
I've noticed more Twitter pages in the results with this version of Google. Quite like having that - makes it easier to find people and companies.
top domain pages show on top and are clustered. Really good job.
sitelinks seems to have changed. some sites get an 'inline' sitelinks instead of the normal vertical listing...
Wow, the index is way more pertinent, less spam, more good website. I'm tracking a lot of searches and see huge improvement in the quality of the results. I hope it goes live like this ! (checked french results in France and Canada bwt)
i'm tryig to access on my symbian phone, but the address redirects me to the same URL with a "/m" at the end and that show me a "403" error page. is this an issue with the the Opera browser installed on my phone? or this version is not compatible with mobile?
Yeah but the link is broken
i tried searches at http://www2.sandbox.google.com .
this is giving me same results as i am getting those at www.google.com.
what is main diffrence between http://www2.sandbox.google.com & http://www.google.com
Nice idea but I can't find a lot of my sites :(
but the a sandbox is great for developer/SEOs, since google results are moderated by google if you're logged in at your google account
Very Exciting! I haven't seen too many differences when I checked few keywords.
Be great if there was an australian version of the new structure!! Then i will be able to put in my input on the australian end of the market =]
i have this :
We're sorry...
... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.
We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software.
We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google.
very awesome
@Andre
That normally means you are posting from a computer that runs through a big firewall. Are you at work? It used to say that when i searched at my job, all 50 million computers at my job, yes not an lie, go through the same IP so it looked like SPAM. You may have to contact Google to let them know you're a safe IP.
It would be good to know how up to date the content on www2.sandbox.google.com actually is. Many people make changes to improve their SEO - so knowing this information would help with the feedback.
I think there's problem with the Turkish version. It has just crashed and gave 403 error..
I think there's problem with the Turkish version. It has just crashed and gave 403 error..
Initial results look promising
I did a few searches and compared them to results from the official search and I would have to say that they do seem more relevant. Going to bookmark this and use it as my default search for now and see how it goes.
i think it is more relevant!
It seems to show much more relevant results. Searching for my own name used to come up with ancient mailing list posts on the front page, now it is much more relevant sites!
Looking good Google!
wow! very exciting for google new web search
Very quick. Very impressive. It's all looking good so far.
Are keywords somehow weighted more heavily in this structure?
For me there are two kinds of search results: those of pages which are useful, and those of sites which are useful. This system seems to neglect sites which are useful in favour of perhaps keywords or perhaps domain name association (while not domain names, which seem relevant but not much). This is useful if I'm after a specific morsel of information say an acute need, but detrimental to me if I'm after finding a resource say a site on a niche topic where posts might not be SEO keyword emphasised (which imho is a massive fraud by many sites in search results).
BTW, why do I have to use my Google account to comment here? Why is not the more web-standard/normal name, email address and optional webpage link not used?
Yup! I`ve tried some German results - since . It is awaited: more relevance(Matts Words" - Less Results Name -address- not more - Less catalogs. I hope U can improve this. Even so Google has improved. But since I look out per day several times. Many things things are motivating -Such is- Options which I like a lot forward. But So far not a feature in Germany. But I think we all saw a firework of ideas. But we see what in the end will become reality! Good hand for "U" the best to choose!!!!!!Sorry for my clumsy ENGLISH
As this version is clearly an evolution of the .com index it is difficult to gage the impact on those of us who predominately use localised Google (in my case .co.uk).
From what I can judge it seems to be cleaner with fewer spammy results and a great bias towards “high value” domains. I’d question if this is the right way forward in every instance for example searching for gravel brings up a variety of results (wiki, answers.com and an American senator all rank highly) but the is only one gravel supplier. I think on aggregate this result is lower value based in the suspicion most people will be looking for the product.
I’m looking forward to seeing how this evolves. caffeine
You should write "на русском" or "русский" near google logo, but not "русском"
Man, I can't believe people are trying to Spam this post - unbelievable - lol!
Users jacks and News Blogs you are nuts...
I keep getting a captcha to verify I'm human :(
It would also be greatly useful if the hits could be further refined or categorised into groups. This is so that one can see all information related to a single person or something under one tab, without having to scroll through several pages.
At the moment, one has to provide more keywords. But I am certain that it would be trivial for the offline indexing process to automatically generate such keywords from the pages and group the pages accordingly.
I get a 404-Error for that URL (from Germany) :-(
We're sorry...
... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.
To continue searching, please type the characters you see below [ ] I'm human box.
That was my result on the first try.
seems fantastic..!
I keep getting notifications that I'm spam too. The regular production Google search engine does not do that to me.
From what I saw, most rankings were similar to what we're seeing in the normal Google search engine.
I can't see any diffrence
How come when I do a search on Bing.com for nollywood blogs : www.palsnaija.com is number 2 site.
But on google search its on page 5
Any ideas why?
Thanks for this opportunity to try out the new version of the search engine and provide feedback. My initial impression is good. I’ve set the sandbox URL as homepage and will continue to test extensively.
I appreciate that you may be unable to answer individual queries. I know that many of us will be wondering whether underscores have equal status as dashes in the new search engine.
I believe you have previously suggested that this was in the pipeline. There is a compelling case for it. Dashes are surely a legitimate delimiter for words in a URL.
I raised this point recently on my blog. I’ll offer the URL because the article and comments cite various relevant sources including current Google documentation:-
http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/aug/friendly_url_should_not_use_dashes_to_represent_spaces
For other languages try the Parameter: hl=de hl=es hl=fr ...
Did a search for "car hire" and 1car1 show on the first search results page but they no longer exist.
So I guess this site should no longer show in the results for this keyword.
I like it a lot, because it gives more accurate results and less spam sites and when i search for my blog main keyword in google then the main site is not in the top 200 results but blogs archive is, in this version my blog is the 22 result.I hope you understood this comment, cause it sound bit crazy too me;).It is better than the original version of google.
I am seeing a lot more 'geographic-based spam' results when location-specific terms are included in the intial search terms. Like so:
Search "Mytown Mystate computer virus", & it brings up sites with somewhat relevant content WRT keywords/phrases, but generic and mostly unhelpful content that basically serves only as a springboard to an artificially high ranking, one with no real relation to the actual location specified in the search.
That is, the someone in Mytown gets a very generic article about viruses, but the highest ranked results are basically spammy sites for paid advertisers, not a) in-depth content WRT fixing their problem or to learn from, or b) links to local companies which fix/repair/consult system problems. I imagine these high-rank sites also contain a fair bit of advertising which I cannot see (thx Adblock!).
Thanks for the post and for sharing the info with us.
Great news! I did a search for 'local marketing company' and received only 20,200,000 results. When I use the regular Google.com site, the results jump to 86,800,000 results. Just an FYI!
I keep getting myself locked out .... KEeps telling me I am spam. Give it more more try then I give up.
Great work! More relevant results for laptop reviews, instead of some "bogus" site showing me the standard description of the laoptop and an affiliate links to where I can buy, you're showing me actual reviews. Thanks.
i made a page to compare the 2 here
Google vs Google caffine helps a little to see the differences
The new engine has inferior results to the main engine for one example I tested.
http://www2.sandbox.google.com/#q=%22taxation%20is%20theft%22&hl=en&num=100&output=search&tbs=qdr:d&tbo=1&fp=RJE6Q6d2Dpw
You have 3 results, all spam.
In the main engine:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22taxation%20is%20theft%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Jos&sa=G&num=100&output=search&tbs=qdr:d&tbo=1
You have better results.
You've got to filter out those spam sites like
dayanaramilesop.yodmgdfj.com/salmon_fishing_areas_in_whatcom.html
What those scammers are doing is presenting one page to Google's search crawler, but another page to everyone else. **FIX THIS DEFECT!!**
Been using Bing lately and finding their results half the time better than Google...
Will have a look into the new G results, but from first glance it looks more relevant
My site has been removed from the index of Google (for me unknown reason), but I see it here http://www2.sandbox.google.com/
Really great news!!!
looks faster ,but still don't see differences in the search result
I love that the results are more relevant when you google for people.
I hate the way it's looking for alternate spellings, i think that the alternatives should be suggested not automatic. It splits obscure keywords into new ones too soon.
Also what's up with the images results in web search? Are they gone?
It is certainly faster, although the local listings results doesnt show?
Also, you may want to update the copyright date on your blog :)
Great new search heuristics seem much "snappier" firing up search results for Shnuggle lightening quick.
I liked the Sorted by date function, but I think that the relevance factor must be present always, using agreed two factor to sort the results. I think too that the SERP must show the document date.
I liked the Sorted by date function, but I think that the relevance factor must be present always, using agreed two factor to sort the results. I think too that the SERP must show the document date.
I liked the Sorted by date function, but I think that the relevance factor must be present always, using agreed two factor to sort the results. I think too that the SERP must show the document date.
Bullshit! crap! I thought the newer one would be realllyyy good at catching spam but this one is even worst for me! I can see sooo many parasite sites and doorway pages. I'll send a detailed feedback today or tomorrow.
would it kill Google to finally give us researchers a PROXIMITY OPERATOR SUCH AS NEAR, WITH, W/10, ETC.
Yes I know about using "*" and the staggernation api site.
When trying the link from my Palm Pre, the link is broken. The URL geta "/m" appeneded to it but I get a "Not Found" page returned.
It's fast!
Most of my websites are on top even in Google Sandbox. For some of the keywords, total no. of search results are reduced in Google Sandbox compared to Google.com. For the keyword "C Programming", google.com says
"Results 1 - 10 of about 48,100,000".
Google sandbox site says "Results 1 - 10 of about 32,400,000".
Seems to be interesting....Will explore more to provide further feedback!
I noticed that the titles of the posts and sites are considered more than the content.
Some sites simply disappeared from all relevant searches of Caffeine and the difference of time and number of sites in search worsened (at least for the term that research that is the name of my city - Paulínia)
Google Current - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,560,000 to Paulinia (0.05 seconds);
Caffeine Google - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,650,000 to Paulinia (0.08 seconds);
I hope to improve ...
Ps.: Translation by Google :D
So Google is developing an updated search tool called "Caffeine"
I'm not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormon Church) but I do respect other religions. Since the Mormon religion disallows caffeine, please consider changing the name. It's kind of like marketing Google Bacon to Jewish or Muslim folks, or Google Brisket to Hindus.
Google Blitz would sound much better anyways.
Come on, it's football season... GOOGLE BLITZ
Niiiiice. From what I've seen the search results look really good; a lot more relevant.
I did some quick searches, I am going to use it from now on... Can this be integrated part of google tool-bar in firefox??
First off I should mention I am very critical person and will nit-pick about almost anything until it is perfect.
I think it is absolutely great that Google is updating their algorithm to improve their search engine.
However I am not quite sure what people are searching, or if they are just searching their own sites, but I see almost no difference in search. If this is Google's attempt to out perform bing, I still am not seeing it (and no I am not a bing advocate I still use Google more.) There is still a lot of spam in these searches
Spam - 1 Google - 0
My Blog is first now on both versions :-) However, the sandbox shows 1 - 10 out of approx. 24.900.000 results, regular search shows 1 - 10 out of approx. 43.900.000. Very interesting.
Aussum! I liked the result, moreover I am happy that Google is asking for feedback.
Congrats!
Sandox:
Resultados 1 - 10 de aproximadamente 2,630,000,000 de google. (0.07 segundos)
Google.es:
Resultados 1 - 10 de aproximadamente 2.160.000.000 de google. (0,09 segundos)
Great !!
Defenitely faster still looking into search results to see if there are any irregularities...
Should we be concerned at this point about search result url not using "?" and thus disrupting analytic data (like referrers)?
Thanks for taking in count to more and more people to improve your new search platform.
This is quite exciting!
I notice more results from my website showing up.
I also notice that the ordering of items is slightly different for several key phrases.
But it's the larger basket of results that I like so far. Lately, regular google's search results # has been getting smaller.
I noticed that a search for my name and one for my business now properly has my website in the #1 position, which it should. (if someone runs a website, their name/business should show up 1st, even if there are bigger / more powerful websites with your name or business name listed). This is a FANTASTIC improvement.
It gives better credit where credit is due.
-Ken, Naples, FL
Great results. much better than the current version.
ArtDriver.com
When I specify a image size search of larger then it should show me that it is including that size or not including that size. > or >=
Also, it would be nice if there was a feedback link on the beta page...
I noticed that Google is giving more importance to brand sites than to price comparison sites when you look for products
how about a proximity feature like the other person mentioned.
I just checked it over and there seems to be a lot of sites dropped in this new search. For example certain sites are on the first page normally in a search yet when I search for them on Caffeine they are not even listed in the top 5 SERPs pages at all. There is something not right here!
There are quite a few unrelated results popping up in pages 1-3.
Great to hear new things are in the works. I have sent along feedback as requested.
Thanks Google!
Genial!! Muy buen experimento, esperemos que el sistema operativo de google salga pronto al mercado también.
Saludos!
I see many of my websites moved up in ranking. This is just great. Can anyone tell how could i check results for Google.co.uk ?
"completely finished", "totally done". Don't do it! Just say "finished", "done." Especially in the software context. How about, "not yet finished"?
-GASN
The only difference I can see is that sites that were using blogspots and blogs in general before that were doing good stopped doing good and did bad the past two months and now with this new algo infrastructure change those same sites that are using blogspots and blogs in gerneral are back to doing good again and are listed higher. So I see no real change at all, just a return to the same exact search results you had two months ago before your summer change which was a better change than this new old change. Personally I now like bing.com results better then google and hope the public will eventually too.
Comparing this new one with the current one, it seems like image results are given less weightage in the search results.
interesting to find there are different results coming up for some of my client's brand names.
Love the new caffeine search.
After beating my head against a wall for 3 years trying to get Google page rank my site changes from page 3 to page 1.
http://www.121Speech.com
Thanks
Google team!
No Ads?
Yeah, I prefer no ads, ..cleaner.
Ads should be a toggle on/off (off by default) mibby.
I highly doubt they would get rid of adwords..
I would like to delete links very annoying when you are searching for something... like spams or trash links...
I would like delete it from my future searchings...
That would be awesome and very comfortable.
Thanks.
Looks like most of my clients sites are ranking 1 - 3 positions higher.
Oh and love the baseball box scores as the game is going.
Check out www.comparegoogle.com
and see the side by side results.
I don't see any shopping results from product search. Is this going to be discontinued? I'd like to know before I do a lot of listings.
Typing the domaine name www.preetic.fr does not show up the site in top position as it is on google.com...I does not even appears in the first;;
comparegoogle.com has been helpful in finding difference in search results for the two algorithms. Just put in some keywords and see what changed. Could be helpful for SEO engineers.
caffeine-
The new Search engine seems great. I do notice some change in the relevancy of the search index. I too am happy that in some search my blog is on the top.
I want to tell you that the page has enough space. Why don't you make separate Widgets for news , blogs, maps, videos, websites.
That will be good use of the search page empty space.
Still a long way to go. Google "Bosch washing machine" and the company Bosch who makes the appliances is nowhere on the front page.
Google just seems so polluted by unwanted online shopping/bargain and content harvesting sites these days. It's a good thing competition is coming (if Bing will amount to that).
If i save a file from a search result at google.com it saves a pdf whereas in sandbox it saves a html , i've to open the link in another tab and then save it manually. it would be great if you can incorporate that normal google feature in sandbox .
http://www2.sandbox.google.com/#hl=en&q=lectures+maximum+flow++algorithm&aq=&oq=&aqi=&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=1&cad=b
try saving the pdf at the above link and the below link
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=lectures+maximum+flow++algorithm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
i am really exicted....now on onwards i will use caffine only..:)
Thanks for a very good information. I have to prepare my website for this project (http://www.narongrit.net) . Even though my website has only Thai member but I think this project may effect for my site too.
"If you have language or country specific feedback on our new system's search results, we're happy to hear from you. . . "
On the topic of language-specific searches, one feature I have been anxious for Google to offer is a shorthand operator for the language specifier (and the date range too, in fact).
I know we can set the language specifier on the Preferences Page, or we can go through the Advanced Search page. However, I have several searches which I do regularly saved in a plaintext document. These searches include many limiters I use to make my searches as accurate as possible.
For example,
site:domainname.com inurl:keyword1 intitle:titlekeyword -filetype:pdf -filetype:doc
etc. etc.
I would like to simply do a copy-and-paste of these pre-saved searches into Google's front page search screen. Limiting searches to displaying only English pages, and only pages updated within a specific time period, would be a real bonus.
Unfortunately, at the moment there is no shorthand for these two specifiers (that I know of).
Are these two features going to be offered in the future? If not, could they be added to a Google "to do" list? These features are certainly on my wish list!
Ohhh My Blog . It'll go to the first page .
http://www.711digg.co.cc
http://www.oweb.co.nr
One thing I notice is the amount of result. new one is giving more results then the older one and also it is more faster.
For example. The Querry "water pollution" gives 18,000,000 result in a new algorithm and "15,500,000" in the old one. Also in new algorithm I reached the second page in 0.12 seconds and 0.71 seconds in the old one. Quite impressive
Hello ... well I've noticed. More results in less time !!!.
Search: Mike site:www.facebook.com
Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 248,000,000 for Mike%. (0.32 seconds)
Caffeine: Results 1 - 10 of about 282,000,000 for Mike%. (0.23 seconds)
So ... here is speed !!!
Here are the few points i noticed..
Key Word : java
N : New Search Engine
O : Old Search Engine
Total Results : 347,000,000(N) , 277,000,000 (O)
Execution Time first run : 0.13 (N) : 0.28 (O)
second run : 0.08 (N) : 0.16 (O)
third run : 0.08 (N) : 0.22 (O)
I believe, Google team has geared up with optimized algorithms and cache solution's for their new search engine.
excellent. The new search engine is more powerfull
comparegoogle.com
This has been helpful in finding difference in search results for the two algorithms. Just put in some keywords and see what changed. Could be helpful for SEO engineers.
The search results are different. Why is it so? Will Google use 2 different algorithms?
To have a clear idea regarding what is meant by ‘web development’,basics first we have to get acquainted with some terminologies. On having a glance at your article, the internet users will realize that the importance of this activity cannot be looked down upon. We wondered when we came to know the efficiency levels of the robust algorithms of search engine.
WOW you are great! you have to keep reading!
I have a website called iphoneil.net which is online over a year now. Its one of the best websites in Israel and that is why it supposes to be in the first page when i write "אייפון" in the search box. however, no matter what i did on my website for google to read it better it got me far away from the first page (page 19 now).
A few hours ago i did again a little changes so it needs to take a while before i can see if it changed something.
Now i want to talk about your great new engine search!
I don't know how but if i search the keyword "אייפון" there, my website easily jumped to the second page. its like a miracle to me.
maybe you can look just a second on my website (www.iphoneil.net) to see if there is something wrong there.
Thank you and keep doing miracles for others!
What a great googling. I would like thanks so much to google. You will be a legendary search engine.
the difference is hardly noticable, but still need to dig more into this... as looks like we will have to work with this type of search in comming years...
i change the title and Description
in last month in my site ksp.co.il but in the "new google" its not update?
Absouletly faster and more relevant results. What else to wait? ;o)
Thank you.
this is even a bit faster and better i thnk but i thnk it will help a lot and i would love to do some experiment on it......
Mor(m)on comment of the day: "Please don't call it caffeine, it offends me as a Mormon!". What the what?!? Come on, where does it say that the word is as banned as the substance! You're a retard!
Really exciting Result. In google.com my site showing in 7th position and 2sandbox.google.com showing 4th position. Really Google Result are something different then other search engine.
How about when sometimes you search for a key word on google.com, you see for example 8 pages with results.
But when you click on the last page, you discover there are only 5 pages and you land on that 5th page....
Thanks Google from Québec, Canada, our job will be easier!!
i tried to test it:
1. Speed : it is fast.
2. Accuracy: You’ll notice that many of the blended search options, like image search and news, don’t appear in the new version.
3. Temporal Relevancy:A search for some thing also got the same Yahoo and BBC news articles.
4. Index Size:we can tell the index size based on how many results come up for specific search.
I for one am not particularly happy. My Web site that has been online for 15 years and has always ranked in the top 10 for several keywords under Caffeine doesn't even show up in the first 40!!!
I for one am not particularly happy. My Web site that has been online for 15 years and has always ranked in the top 10 for several keywords under Caffeine doesn't even show up in the first 40!!!
Not noticing any major differences apart from the fact that image results seem to have mysteriously disappeared from the universal results listed. Videos and News still there but no images. Anyone else seeing this?
cool, i like google. i have written the good news in my blog.
Yeeeee !!!
My web site ranking up ...
Thank you
http://www2.sandbox.google.com
yeah try comparegoogle.com to see your page display order change
wow!!! good one in response to microsoft's bing.
There's a dead link error on Caffeine's results page: "Try Google Experimental" points to http://www2.sandbox.google.com/experimental/ which does not exist.
No comments on hits yet - too few tries ;)
I am experiencing huge difference in results, my site which were in top-10 went straight away to deeper in SERP's.
I wonder Mattcuts said if your site is having a good architecture you don't have to be worried...but I am shocked after comparing Caffeine results with normal Google search.
I hope you guys will look into Content Quality, site authority and many other webmaster guidelines as mentioned in your SEO guide before dropping any good site.
For some queries Caffeine is showing results till 7-8 page's only. What ab't rest pages, is this a error.
FYI: the Mormon church doesn't ban caffeine. Some Mormons stay away from it. Others don't. Chocolate has caffeine in it, and Mormons eat chocolate like it's...well...candy.
yet another cool one from google. Sory by date is really helpful!!
Very cool does this mean Google will once again be faster than Bing? I can’t wait to play with it but atm it is giving me a down for maintenance message I can’t wait to see how accurate the results are.
I want to test it out as well, cant wait to see what the new algorithms in action.
Currently it says the systems are down ;/)
The Google Search Best 1 number !
www.adanzyehaber.com
The link says "System Maintenance"!!
Will try soon!!.
Folks Link says under maintenance
Doing a search for a local professional services provider (using the "city name" plus "lawyer") I get a lot of big directories in the results and very few local providers compared to the current google search. Is this because localization is not included in the sandbox, and if so, how can I test so that it is included?
Well, one difference is that it's DOWN more than old Google...!
I'll try to return later and maybe it will be working then.
I really hope you start "rotating" results that for the most part rank about the same. It's a feature that's long overdue and would eliminate much of the spamming that goes on, if done correctly.
I can not wait for this to be the standard. Rarely am I enthusiastic about changes to Google's search (especially as an SEO specialist) but something that I noticed in the new version is that our clients are ranking very well (even better than the norm) and websites that I know to use scattered link building practices are no dominating various search terms.
It appears that websites who's links come from news, media, social networks, real content oriented links are being rewarded above sites that just have directory links or links that get thrown to anything that will stick.
I look forward to the sandbox coming back up so I can continue to experiment with it.
En mi opinión que se quede como esta ya que desaparece por completo nuestro portal, estando actualmente en la posicion 15.
Que es lo que premia estos cambios, redes sociales y webs con multitud de enlaces.
I made a tool to compare the two side by side. check it out
Google vs Google caffine
Caffeine is definitely faster.Also, the search results much more relevant to the ones that are seen in the current official search engine.
I didn't find much of a difference in terms of search results, but the speed of the search was much faster than the regular Google search engine.
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I have searched all terms which i used on day to day basis but can;t find any Difference in SERP
If any1 find difference than plz Let us know search Term
very nice
Let me tell you a new paradigm. Imagine P2P system integrated with web servers and browsers. Data is not central. Remember SETI Project. Data is everywhere and we don't have to collect it. Just one apache module, one extension to the firefox and others and all users will be a part of search engine. This is not gonna be your end but you have to manage to help this idea guys.
Summary of changes:
1. Real time search results such as twitter status
2. Speed is really improved.
3. Most of terms are providing relevant results, however some are not (my competitors)
4. I'm not able view India specific results as "gl" for changing the country parameter is missing in the URL.
Hope to post more details.......
Looks great so far!
PeopleSearches.com
http://www.PeopleSearches.com/
I compared the results of the new Google from the old one and this is what I like about the new one:
1. The speed is tremendously improved;
2. The number of results is expanded;and
3. The user interface is friendlier, especially the "maps".
However, I also noticed some points for improvement:
1. The relevance of results is quite questionable (e.g. I saw one result where Caffeine showed a minor page of the website while the old one showed the main page of the website);
3. Maybe, You could add the services of Google like Blogger and Feedburner; and
2. "Simplicity is beauty" is still the theme with no change in the design.
Nevertheless, keep up the good work and good luck, Googlers!
I have a forum software project called "miniBB" and about 1,5 years ago we have moved from .net domain to .com. It's a shame for Google that a top keyword domain in the new version still appears only on the 6th or 7th search results page. I.e. if you type "miniBB" it will show the reference to minibb.com only in the end. Earlier we have very good traffic from Google, now it's zero. Just because of domain move? Can't believe in such "perfection".
Its very nice features and it has enhance difficulty level to SEOs.
Features Should add.
When we mouse over serp's
History of site showed like indexing date rather than toolbar
screen shot of site
Thanks a lot for implementing some great new features. Great to know about this caffeine..
Thanks
http://www.123-seo.com
it's good improvement , i am in favor of google caffeine net generation search engine. Ali SEO
it doesnt work good,it just ranks up twitter sites,and google maps links comparing to the engine that runs now.It will be more than obvious that building seo with twitter will give you 1st page results.
Bing is far better from google caffeine.Caffeine is made for an answer to bing,but i dont think it even compares to the current engine.
Nice, seems pretty fast. Will be interesting to see how it all rolls out to the masses.
i think that results are more accurate than before
ac.uk sites are ranking lower in this version. Please could this be rectified as they have richer content than most.com .co.uk etc sites.
e.g. a search for creative arts
and for fine art
looks good but am a bit worrried that my site that normally ranks good in the current google does not do to good in the test vertsion.
http://www.diecastheroes.com on key word of diecast model cars
I have just had to change URLS on an existing site: http://www.sonos-uk.co.uk/ which is now: http://www.sonos-digitalmusicuser.co.uk/
using the change url tool in Google webmaster tools on the standard google site it hasnt effected us to much, but on Caffeine we are no where to be seen???
It's realy Good way to update search Result. Realy Good job.
I see a lot of emphasis on search phrase url's. If the search term is in the domain name it is more likely to be returned unusually high. I will look more closely.
I hope this is not final result of this "new core", because now people who steal/copy content rank higher than original site which I find really pathethic.
I noticed something today which I'll mention here in case it indicates a new vulnerability.
I searched for "open directory":
http://www2.sandbox.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Open+Directory+Project&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g5
The Open Directory project was the first result, but appended to the URL listed on the results page there's another URL:
www.dmoz.org/?id=www.interturknet.com/
Presumably this means somebody is deliberately linking to dmoz.org with this query string appended to the URL. I would consider this abuse or Spam. This problem doesn't seem to affect the current version of Google search.
I'll continue to submit feedback as advised. In case this helps I'm keeping a note of more general observations from my ongoing tests on this page:
http://www.timacheson.com/blog/2009/aug/google_reveals_new_version_of_its_search_engine
P.S. Like many others who work in the industry, I'm still hoping for confirmation that underscores in URLs are being treated the same way as dashes in the new version of Google search. :)
Finally some modern innovation. You need to go forowrd to keep the position nr.1 in the world, and simply to be the best and most firendly for users. I am sorry to say it but actuall engine is no as firndly for users as it used to be.
What I see in new engine is that the reoults od searching are much sensible and aslo it do works faster.
Best regards form Poland.
does it work with show prices ? For me it did not
I have given a feedback on sandbox. although ranking of my website is same :)
Google Caffeine is faster than regular google
Seems to be a step in the right direction. Will need more testing to be able to give more accurate feedback. Does anyone know what is the expected launching date?
faster compared to older google.search results are more accurate compared to older google.google rocks .It will overcome bing serch enginee.
Anyone know if the "GL" variable used for "country code" is a replacement for the "LR" variable in international searches? So a search using "gl=de" would replace "lr=lang_de". The results are quite different.
Is caffeine going to handle 301’s as well as the old infrastructure? We did a 301 with a domain about a month ago to a more relevant domain name and on the Caffeine search results it is like 2-3 pages back on all the search terms from what they are on the current results. Any reason why that may be happening? Maybe pulling from dated data centers?? If that keeps up should we just go back to the old domain?? Google has always been good with the 301, not like Bing.
I feel obliged to follow-up on the last comment, by Jeff Manson.
Bing handles 301 permanent redirects no problem, and without any affect on ranking. (There were some initial problems from the Beta, these were fixed and that's old news.) We use them widely and half of the time Bing picks them up before Google does.
http://www.bing.com/community/forums/t/647835.aspx
http://www.bing.com/community/forums/t/648638.aspx
"Google has always been good with the 301, not like Bing."
I don't understand why people feel compelled to say things like this, especially in this case when the only problem mentioned is apparently with Google rather than Bing.
Enjoy! ;)
Caffeine
I've disappeared for some keywords in a strange manner.
on www.google.com.br
for "pousada gramado", "pousada gramado rs", "pousada em gramado rs" my home page www.aardvarkinn.com.br appears on the first page.
for "pousada em gramado" a subpage appears on page 20
(similar thing happens for "hotel em gramado")
The Local Business Results seem to have reverted to a version that is months old. A business that closed and disappeared months ago has reappeared (is it a case of enough caffiene turning the dead into zombies ?). I am bothered as I no longer appear on the map :o((
Has anyone else experienced this ?
No disrespect, but we did the 301 a month ago and Bing still has not put the site back where it was in the serps. It was top 3 for most terms and is still not in top 3 pages. Bing is also not reading our dis allows in the robots text. Not trying to bash Bing or anything. I thing there new search is good, but they are not dealing with the 301's like you mentioned.
Aloha
Jeff, that sounds like a frustrating problem. I wonder if I can help. There are various issues that could cause the problems you describe with Bing, and Bing makes it easy for webmasters to identify and resolve these issues. You've probably used Google's webmaster tools features, but have you been using Bing's?
http://www.bing.com/webmaster
The most likely explanation for your problem is the way your site is configured in Bing.
Have you set up your site completely in Bing? And if so, what frequency have you specified in Bing for changes to the affected URLs?
Otherwise, if Bing decides that the URLs in question are only rarely updated substantially -- perhaps they change once per month or never -- you could certainly be crawled less often for that reason. Bing won't crawl a site more often than it thinks is needed.
Another common issue behind for problems of this nature is the way in which the SEO is set up. There are lots of potential candidates. E.g. If you set a disallow which includes the 301 URL, search engines may not crawl those URLs hence the 301 may not get picked up.
If you'd like to specify the URL for your 301 I could take a look at how you've done it and also check your robots.txt.
I set up a 301 on this page a couple of days ago and Bing's index has already been updated, in perfect accordance with the update schedule I set using Bing's webmaster tools.
http://www.timacheson.com/bing_beta_feedback
Hope that helps!
When i was checking my ranking on "Caffeine update" url: www2.sandbox.google.com - it was showing bit different few days before, but now my ranking going worst. I think few updates still going on with this demo URL on the basis of searchers suggestions.
When will this updates going to live on a permanent basis ??
This is great news. Hopefully it will get rid of all the spammers out there.
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Phrases within quotes actually work now!
I am a developer, and I often need to search for code snippets that contain special characters (such as "session.CurrentDatabase") The old version would ignore the period, even though it is within quotes. The new version works great!
Thomas, I haven't noticed any difference in the handling of phrases in search terms, with or without punctuation within the quoted search term.
Your example returns similar results in the current version. Can you provide an example that will show how the new version differs?
Punctuation is of special concern to me, particularly with regard to underscores in URLs. I have not yet been able to confirm that underscores are being treated the same as hyphens in the new version.
More info on the underscore vs hyphen issue:-
Friendly URLs should not use dashes to represent spaces
My site www.SeekYourItem is #22 for "search all craigslist cities" on google but it is on 4th page on new google search engine. This site is new and has few backlinks. So it seems new google engine gives more importance to backlinks.
I observed signifanct changes in the results of "Caffeine"
new search Engine from Google.
I made a search on Google new S/E for 'SS Shin" it shows 3,59000 results within 0.08 seconds while on current Google S/E shows 3,01000results in 0.24 seconds.
Tks n rgds
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At least one comment here states that more Twitter-pages are being indexed. I can't see that this is correct, at least not for the norwegian locale and language.
(no)
But I see that only a very few pages from www.twitter.com is indexed. Seems as the new engine is better at consolidating TLD hits that wrongly gets indexed pages from both www. and non-www URLs.
But shouldn't there be no indexed pages from http://www.twitter.com/ and only indexed pages from http://twitter.com/ ?
I entered "pictures of odessa ukraine" and got the link to mail order brides as the top result. I don't think that's very relevant. It seems there are cases when the site rank (e.g. number of links to it) is trumping the actual content on the site. For instance, my site that only has pictures of the city (www.sergeyv.com) is not even listed, whereas there are many results for "Russian women" kind of sites (I sadly find that demeaning).
dynamiza
Me parece muy bueno los cambios que habéis hecho, pro lo menos mis páginas están mejor situadas que antes.
Saludos con caffeine
www.Dynamiza.com
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